Märklin pitanja i sve ostalo

robogovi4

Poznati forumaš
damir kaže:
flado kaže:
Vidim da ima više proizvođača, pa me zanima od kojeg još proizvođača mogu metnuti vagone i lokomotive na m-gleis od marklina ?

Vagone možeš staviti od kojeg god proizvođača,a lokomotive samo one tvrtke koje proizvode za Marklin AC sistem Trix AC,Roco AC itd.

Pozz,
ovo sa vagonima je toćno no, morat ćeš mijenjat DC za AC osovine, najkasnije onda kad ti dosadi iskakanje vagona sa DC osovinama (prvenstveno na skretnicama), to je zbog razlićite visine vijenaca kotača. Sreća pa ta zamjena uglavnom nije neki problem.
 

flado

Član foruma
robogovi4 kaže:
Pozz,
ovo sa vagonima je točno no, morat ćeš mijenjat DC za AC osovine, najkasnije onda kad ti dosadi iskakanje vagona sa DC osovinama (prvenstveno na skretnicama), to je zbog razlićite visine vijenaca kotača. Sreća pa ta zamjena uglavnom nije neki problem.
Znači kad kupujem, tražim AC osovine
 

Damir

 
Osoblje foruma
flado kaže:
Znači kad kupujem, tražim AC osovine

Kupovat ćeš samo Marklin AC osovine sa širim vijencima ako si kupio recimo vagon Piko ili Roco sa DC koji imaju uže vjence.
Znači oko toga ne razbijaj glavu. To je najjeftinija varijanta.
Ako kupuješ lokse sve moraju biti prilagođene Marklin AC sistemu i onda nemaš problema ;)

Pronjuškaj malo strane forume pogotovo Njemačke gdije je Marklin zastupljen u 90% slučajeva.
Evo linka za jedan od njih: http://stummiforum.de/
 

Mon

 
Osoblje foruma
Flado, ja bih ti preporucio da pogledas temu o razlikama AC i DC napajanja na sledeci link:
<a class="postlink-local" href="http://forum.malezeljeznice.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=3289" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">viewtopic.php?f=32&t=3289</a>

Mislim da ce ti puno toga biti jasnije. ;)
 

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Zadnje vrijeme me pitalo nekoliko početnika Maerklinaša kako se spajaju skretnice i ostale elektro-stvarce kod M.
Objasnio sam riječima no slikama bi bilo daleko lakše
Prva objašnjava kako se spajaju skretnice na pult i transformator
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Za trostruku skretnicu trebamo 2 reda kod pulta jer ima 2 nezavisna pogona
Slijedeća slika pokazuje kako se spajaju odsječci na 3 kolosjeka sa drugom vrstom pulta koji daje trajni kontakt
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Za spajanje otkapčivača je dovoljan samo jedan izvod impulsnog pulta
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Pultovi iste vrste se mogu direktno vezati jedan na drugi
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Spajanje signala (bilo likovnog ili svjetlosnog) treba pult a crvene žice koje idu iz samog signala se spajaju na prugu te odsječak
pruge gdje se zaustavlja lokomotiva.
Spajnje signala sa predsignalom je na istom principu (nije potreban i zaseban trafo no kod većeg broja potrošača dobro dođe)
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Tzv šalt tračnica nakon signala gasi signal na crveno kad vlak prođe kroz zeleno
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Svjetlosni predsignal se spaja direktno na glavnoga
 

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Shema tzv pružnog bloka- šalt tračnica nakon prolaska signala ga gasi na crveno ali istovremeno pali zeleno na prethodnom
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Postoje i signali sa 3 položaja- stop, slobodno i slobodno u skretanje
Shema nam pokazuje kako na više mjesta treba spojiti napajanje (kod većeg ovala)
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Svi (stariji) signali imaju dvostruke nezavisne izvode pa mogu zasbno prekidati napone na pruzi i kontaktnoj mreži (za E lok)
Malo kompliciranija shema automatske raspodjele kolosjeka / skretnica na nekoj stanici, Kad vlak dođe do kraja svoga kolosjeka
prebacuje skretnicu iza sebe na slijedeći slobodan kolosjek
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SRK su cijevčice sa kontaktima u vakumu koje spaja magnet ispod lokomotive i tako daje kontakt na UFS- rele sa više izvoda
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Automatske rampe kriste tzv kontakt tračnice koje su sa obje strane rampe i dokle god se neko vozilo nalazi na njima
spaja obje šine i drži rampu zatvorenom
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Shema spajanja dizalice treba 5 impulsnih tastera na pultu
Pokretni most ima zaseban pult za pomicanje, kad se most zaustavi na određenoj pruzi ona dobiva napon
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Kod okretaljke je ista situacija (dodatni trafo nije potreban)
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Signal koji ima već opisana 3 položaja može sam mijenjati i skretnicu iza sebe (kad je u položaju vožnja ravno okrene skretnicu
ravno a u položaju vožnja u skretanje mijenja i skretnicu tako
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Ovaj marklin je čudo jedno... sviđaju mi se ova mehaničko-električna rješenja... posebno automatska (analogna) raspodjela kolosijeka uz pomoč šalt prekidača.
... a o telexu da i ne govorim... ovo je odlično... šteta što su sheme na tom crvenom milimetarskom papiru... pa gledanje grebe oči :)
Koja je funkcija UFS komponente?
 

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UFS su bistabilni relei koji impulsom dobivenim od SRK mijenjaju položaj skretnice (jer kao što je poznato ti kontakti u vakumu
nijesu za neke jače struje, pogotovo kad se istovremeno treba promijeniti položaj više skretnica)
Za grebanje očiju se moraš obratiti autoru na alte-modellbahnen.xobor.de/- da sam ja crtao odabrao bih prije plavi
raster i hrvaski tekst.
 

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Ta lokomotiva se proizvodi od početka 60-ih godina, doživjela je dvije promjene.
Prva je bila u malo boljoj izvedbi natpisa, detalja na karoseriji i dodanim imitacijama kočnica
Zadnja promjena je bila daleko veća- postala je digitalna, može i pjevati a i kopče su modernije
 

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Veteran foruma
Pojavila se nova generacija skija, jučer sam to prvi puta uočio (vjerojatno se radi već neko vrijeme).
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Skija više nije kruta već je napravljena od tanje i elastične legure (bronce vjerojatno). Bez opterećenja je ispupčena prema dole
no kad se stavi na prugu izravna se te mi se subjektivno čini tiša, klizanje se ne čuje.
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To je posebna ovogodišnja Božićna lokomotiva koja znade (uz brojne obične zvukove) pjevati pjesme!
(prvom prilikom ću snimiti video sa pjesmama)
 

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Da podjelim ovu tvorničku informaciju .. ako već netko ranije to nije postao.
Ispod marklinovih loksi nalazi se serijski broj svake lokse.
Na početku tog broja je i slovo.... evo značenja tih slova koji opisuju pogon i upravljanje.

V = Electronically controlled electro-mechanical reversing unit (Vorshaltelektronik)
E = Electronically controlled electro-mechanical reversing unit or an Electronic reversing unit
R = 5 star propulsion, Regulated (Fünf-Sterne-Technik)
D = Digital control, usually decoder type c80 or c81
H = Digital control, High performance propulsion, usually decoder type c90, c91, fx or mfx
M = Delta (Mehrzugbetrieb)
S = C-Sinus-Motor (not exclusive, some Sinus locomotives are reported to have H)
 

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